Pub Theology 4/30/24 — Certainty and a boat in the fog

Pete Trumbore • April 29, 2024

The topic of doubt has come up over and over again in our conversations. That’s not really a surprise given that we’ve been having these discussions for 11 years now. But I’m not sure we’ve ever really talked about the idea of certainty.

Generally speaking, when we talk about certainty we think about it as the state of being free from doubt, of being completely confident about something. There’s often an element of objective proof in the mix as well. So what kind of things are you certain about? More interestingly, are there things you were once certain of but you’ve had a change of mind about? In other words, how certain are you about the very concept of certainty?

Since this is Pub Theology, let’s turn the conversation to questions of faith. In his 2000 novel Jayber Crow , the author Wendell Berry has this to say: “But faith is not necessarily, or not soon, a resting place. Faith puts you out on a wide river in a boat, in the fog, in the dark.” As a way of thinking about faith, this is a far cry from a faith system based on certainty. Certainty of salvation, certainty that there is but one path to the sacred, certainty about doctrine, and so on.

What does Berry’s metaphor mean to you? How do you understand what he is saying with this sentence? And how does this conception of faith compare to a certainty-based faith? For some, certainty and faith are opposite ends of a spectrum.

Former United Methodist pastor Martin Thielen argues that the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. “I hold many strong beliefs about the life of Jesus Christ, the love of God, and other crucial Christian affirmations. But when religious people are uncompromisingly absolute about all their beliefs, when they cannot see beyond black and white, especially on secondary issues, they are practicing unhealthy religion. The fact is, we are not God. We do not know everything.”

But as Thielen notes, a lot of Christians have a problem accepting ambiguity. “They want their belief system to be certain, beyond question; and they often punish those who disagree with their pronouncements.” But there are hazards lurking in such faith systems. “One of the many problems with arrogant and closed-minded, absolutist religion is that it makes people intolerant of anyone who disagrees with their rigid positions.”

With this as our starting point, our conversation this week will focus on the concept of certainty and absolutism in our faith lives and in our lives more generally. Join us Tuesday, April 30 for the discussion starting at 7pm at Casa Real in downtown Oxford.

By Peter Trumbore April 20, 2026
An article in The Washington Post from a week or so ago (I'll link to it in a minute) caught my eye as it brings us back to a topic area we've spent some time with before, the intersection of faith and technology. Specifically it's about Artificial Intelligence. But unlike the last time we discussed this, we're not playing around with Chatbot Jesus. It turns out that last month, the AI company Anthropic, creators of the Claude chatbot, convened a summit with Christian leaders, from both Roman Catholic and Protestant traditions, for advice on how to steer Claude's moral and spiritual development as it reacts to complex and unpredictable ethical queries from users. For example, advice on how to respond to users grieving the loss of a loved one, or whether the chatbot considered itself a "child of God." According to the article from The Post ( which you car read by clicking this link ): “They’re growing something that they don’t fully know what it’s going to turn out as,” said Brendan McGuire, a Catholic priest based in Silicon Valley who has written about faith and technology, and participated in the discussions at Anthropic. “We’ve got to build in ethical thinking into the machine so it’s able to adapt dynamically.” Attendees also discussed how Claude should engage with users at risk of self-harm, and the right attitude for the chatbot to adopt toward its own potential demise, such as being shut off, said one participant, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share details of the conversations. The summit comes as the rapid spread of AI across society puts Silicon Valley leaders under pressure to account for the impact of their technology. Concern about job losses to automation has grown as more businesses have embraced AI. OpenAI and Google have been sued by the families of people who died by suicide after intense and personal conversations with chatbots. Anthropic officials say that they plan to convene similar meetings with representatives of other religious and philosophical traditions. That this is just the start of their effort to give Claude a moral foundation. What do you make of this? Does this raise more questions in your mind than it answers? And how comfortable are you with the idea that chatbots need a moral foundation? What exactly are we creating with this technology? Do we even know? Join us for the conversation this Tuesday, April 21 at Irish Tavern in downtown Lake Orion. The discussion starts at 7pm.
By Andrew Guffey April 19, 2026
This Sunday, all are welcome to join us for a morning of worship and fellowship. Whether you are with us in the sanctuary or joining from afar, your presence strengthens our community. Our service is at 9:30 a.m. We warmly welcome those who cannot attend in person to join us via our live stream.
By Andrew Guffey April 17, 2026
The problem of bloodthirsty delight
By Andrew Guffey April 12, 2026
This Sunday, all are welcome to join us for a morning of worship and fellowship. Whether you are with us in the sanctuary or joining from afar, your presence strengthens our community. Our service is at 9:30 a.m. We warmly welcome those who cannot attend in person to join us via our live stream.
By Andrew Guffey April 11, 2026
The Lord is Ris en Indeed.
By Peter Trumbore April 6, 2026
After a longer hiatus than originally planned (due to travel, schedule conflicts, Holy Week, and Easter) we're are back! Just in time to talk about Jesus flipping tables, The story from Matthew's Gospel is a familiar one. And it's part of the larger account of the events of Holy Week. In Matthew 21: 12-13, after his entry into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, Jesus heads to the Temple where he ... makes a bit of a scene: "The Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. He said to them 'It is written, my house shall be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a den of robbers." John's Gospel adds the detail of Jesus using his belt as a whip to drive the merchants, money changers, and the sacrificial livestock from the premises. In Mark and Luke, Jesus accuses the Temple authorities of thievery and preying upon the poor who were forced to purchase doves for sacrifice since they couldn't afford lambs. A little historical context is helpful here. Scholars tend to agree that the selling of animals was commonplace for the purpose of making sacrifice, and that the money changers were present to convert the variety of currencies in circulation to the accepted currency for paying Temple taxes. Some analysis suggests that Jesus' act was triggered by the money changers' routine cheating of their customers. Others suggest the Temple establishment sided with the aristocracy and Roman authorities by lending funds from the Temple treasury to the poor who were in danger of losing their land to debt, thus saddling them with an unsustainable burden that had the effect of concentrating even more wealth in the hands of the elite. Finally, there is some speculation that this was the act that precipitated Jesus' arrest and eventual crucifixion. Given that the Gospels all place it in the Holy Week narrative, this seems plausible. In short, this may have been the final straw for the Temple authorities. So what do you think about all this? Is this really the reason for Jesus' persecution and execution? Because he disrupted the "economic model" of the Temple? In other words, what is the meaning of this scene? How do you think it fits into the Gospel narrative, not just of Holy Week, but the whole trajectory of Jesus' ministry? And what lessons do you take away from this episode? A popular sign popped up at the recent "No Kings" protests that took place around the country a few weekends ago: "Don't Sit at Tables Jesus Would Have Flipped." What would those tables be today? We're going to talk all about flipping tables in our conversation this week. Join us tomorrow evening, Tuesday April 7, starting at 7pm at Irish Tavern in downtown Lake Orion. But please refrain from flipping the tables there. We want them to keep inviting us back.
By Andrew Guffey April 5, 2026
This Sunday, all are welcome to join us for a morning of worship and fellowship. Whether you are with us in the sanctuary or joining from afar, your presence strengthens our community. Our service is at 9:30 a.m. We warmly welcome those who cannot attend in person to join us via our live stream.
By Andrew Guffey April 4, 2026
Join us for the Great Vigil of Easter, in person or by livestream. 
By Andrew Guffey April 3, 2026
Join us for our 7 p.m. Go od Friday service, in person, or by livestream.
By Andrew Guffey April 3, 2026
This is a subtitle for your new post