Pub Theology 4/30/24 — Certainty and a boat in the fog

Pete Trumbore • April 29, 2024

The topic of doubt has come up over and over again in our conversations. That’s not really a surprise given that we’ve been having these discussions for 11 years now. But I’m not sure we’ve ever really talked about the idea of certainty.

Generally speaking, when we talk about certainty we think about it as the state of being free from doubt, of being completely confident about something. There’s often an element of objective proof in the mix as well. So what kind of things are you certain about? More interestingly, are there things you were once certain of but you’ve had a change of mind about? In other words, how certain are you about the very concept of certainty?

Since this is Pub Theology, let’s turn the conversation to questions of faith. In his 2000 novel Jayber Crow , the author Wendell Berry has this to say: “But faith is not necessarily, or not soon, a resting place. Faith puts you out on a wide river in a boat, in the fog, in the dark.” As a way of thinking about faith, this is a far cry from a faith system based on certainty. Certainty of salvation, certainty that there is but one path to the sacred, certainty about doctrine, and so on.

What does Berry’s metaphor mean to you? How do you understand what he is saying with this sentence? And how does this conception of faith compare to a certainty-based faith? For some, certainty and faith are opposite ends of a spectrum.

Former United Methodist pastor Martin Thielen argues that the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. “I hold many strong beliefs about the life of Jesus Christ, the love of God, and other crucial Christian affirmations. But when religious people are uncompromisingly absolute about all their beliefs, when they cannot see beyond black and white, especially on secondary issues, they are practicing unhealthy religion. The fact is, we are not God. We do not know everything.”

But as Thielen notes, a lot of Christians have a problem accepting ambiguity. “They want their belief system to be certain, beyond question; and they often punish those who disagree with their pronouncements.” But there are hazards lurking in such faith systems. “One of the many problems with arrogant and closed-minded, absolutist religion is that it makes people intolerant of anyone who disagrees with their rigid positions.”

With this as our starting point, our conversation this week will focus on the concept of certainty and absolutism in our faith lives and in our lives more generally. Join us Tuesday, April 30 for the discussion starting at 7pm at Casa Real in downtown Oxford.

By Peter Trumbore • September 21, 2026
Years ago, when we were newly married, my wife and I used to schedule annual "planning retreats," where we'd leave town for a long weekend to stay in some charming bed and breakfast somewhere (typically coastal New England), enjoy what the local area had to offer, and to make plans for the future. We'd usually dedicate half a day or so of our getaway to thinking about and writing down our goals for the near and longer-term. These were the days before house and kids, when it looked like the future was ours to determine. We both had demanding jobs at the time, and while we weren't rolling in dough, we had enough to give us the luxury of looking ahead rather than worrying about how we were going to manage day to day. So we talked over timelines, savings goals, family priorities, and so on, trying to figure out things like how much we had to put away, and for how long, before we could start looking for a house. When would we be able to afford to have children? What were our career goals? Where did we want to be five years from now, or ten years from now? And it wasn't just brainstorming. We. Made. Plans. We had targets. And objectives. And we tried to stick to those plans over the following year, reviewing and reevaluating at our next annual planning retreat. At some point, though, we stopped doing this. I can't remember the specifics about when or why we abandoned the exercise, but at some point we did. If I had to guess, I think I'd say we realized that life didn't conform to our nearly laid out agenda. Or, as Mike Tyson famously said, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth." Or, in military parlance, "No plan survives first contact with the enemy." You may be wondering at this point where we're going with this, and how it relates to our first discussion after our long summer hiatus. Well, it turns out that scripture has a few things to say on the topic of worrying about and planning for the future versus trusting in God's goodness and care. Probably the best known example comes from Matthew's gospel, specifically 6:25-34 where Jesus is telling his followers not to worry about the future: "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by worrying can add a single hour to your span of life?" He concludes with this: "So do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own. Today’s trouble is enough for today." I hear the objection. You're right, this is Jesus telling us not to worry about the future; he's not telling us to not to plan for it. And, in Luke's gospel (14:28-30), Jesus addresses this directly. "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not first sit down and estimate the cost, to see whether he has enough to complete it? Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation and is not able to finish, all who see it will begin to ridicule him ..." For me, this poses a bit of a conundrum. Why plan for the future when everything is in God's hands anyway? But if we fail to plan ahead, things can go awry and we'll face the consequences of our own unpreparedness. So where is the balance here? Join us for the conversation this week as we take on the question of planning for the future. Are you a planner, or are you more a seat-of-the-pants kind of decision maker? Do you develop plans for the long-term, or is your focus more on the immediate? For example, if it's my turn to make dinner, I make a meal plan (usually). But I'm not in the five-year-plan business. At least not anymore. How about you. Come out to Irish Tavern in downtown Lake Orion tomorrow evening, Tuesday Sept. 22, and share your thoughts with us. Discussion begins at 7pm.
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