Pub Theology 3/18/25 -- Unwelcome prophets?

Peter Trumbore • March 17, 2025

We've been at the whole Pub Theology thing for nearly a dozen years now (we first gathered all the way back in the summer of 2013), and we've covered a lot of ground and a lot of topics in our conversations over that span of time. Sometimes those topics are worth revisiting. I got to thinking about that on Sunday listening to the Gospel reading (Luke 13:31-35) and hearing Jesus refer to Jerusalem as the city that kills its prophets.


And it's true. Prophets get a rough treatment in scripture, what with being ignored, exiled, killed and so on. Even Nazareth, Jesus' hometown, was not particularly interested in hearing what he had to say.


It turns out that this issue has been on our agenda before. Almost exactly six years ago, back in 2019, we had a discussion on the topic of prophets and their often rocky reception. But since we've got some new faces around the dinner table these days, it's worth revisiting this conversation.


As noted earlier, Jesus himself, in the Gospel of Luke, says "no prophet is accepted in his hometown." And in his case, the good people of Nazareth tried to throw him off a cliff. Likewise in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus says, "Only in his home town and in his own house is a prophet without honor." And, as already mentioned, in Luke, Jesus describes Jerusalem as the "city that kills the prophets."

What's behind this scorn for prophets anyway? Perhaps it's this: One piece I recently read described the essence of being a prophet as engaging in "denial-free thinking." Or perhaps, as we brought up some weeks ago, maybe it's because they insist on speaking hard truths that people might not want to hear. Maybe those insights have something to do with it.

So for our discussion this week we're going to talk about prophets. What do you think it means to be a prophet in our modern age? Do we even encounter them anymore? What's our reaction? We're familiar with prophets in the religious sense, but what about secular prophets? Do they get the same kind of unwelcome response? Can you think of any in our present day? I'm pretty sure I can.

Join us for the conversation tomorrow evening, Tuesday March 18,  beginning at 7 pm at Casa Real in downtown Oxford. To get you thinking, here's a link to a long book excerpt which raises some interesting notions about the rejection or acceptance of prophets. I won't vouch for all of the arguments, but it's worth a read if you have the chance.

By Peter Trumbore January 13, 2026
I don't know about you, but it feels like 2026 has gotten off to a really rocky start. Where even to begin? Wars, and threats of war. Economic turmoil and uncertainty. The actions of federal agents causing chaos, fear, and sadly, deaths and injuries to innocent people. In short, things look pretty bleak, and what's over the horizon doesn't seem all that much better. In fact, the pessimists among us might suggest that things will continue to get worse. What are we to do? Is there anything you're looking forward to this year? Is there anything you're hopeful about? And is hope even the answer? The quote in the illustration above has been attributed to a number of different people over the years, from film director James Cameron to legendary football coach Vince Lombardi as well as various military leaders and politicians. It shows up in movies like "F1" and "Deepwater Horizon." And in "Mad Max: Fury Road," Max says: "Hope is a mistake. If you can't fix what's broken, you'll go insane." Go back far enough and we get a variation of this from the classical Greek historian Thucydides in the Melian Dialogue from his "History of Peloponnesian War" Here he calls hope "danger's comforter" that can only be indulged in by those possessing the abundance of resources necessary to avoid disaster when things go wrong. And yet we are told that the Christian message is one of hope. The idea that our "hope is in the Lord" appears in countless scriptural passages, hymn texts, and sacred poetry. For example, in the hymn "I'll seek his blessings," A.M. Cagle writes: "My hope is in the Lord, the blessing bleeding lamb. I'll seek his blessings every noon." So in our conversation this evening, we're going to talk about hope. What does it mean to you? Where do you find it in these difficult times? Is hope a strategy, or is it "danger's comforter'? In short, is hope a luxury for the few fortunate enough to be able to ride out whatever storms comes next? Is hope a mistake? Join us for the discussion tonight, Jan. 13, starting at 7pm at Irish Tavern in downtown Lake Orion.
By Andrew Guffey January 11, 2026
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By Andrew Guffey January 4, 2026
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By Andrew Guffey December 14, 2025
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By Peter Trumbore December 8, 2025
You may have run across this story over the last week or so, but if not, the above is the Nativity scene on display out from on St. Susanna Parish, a Roman Catholic church in Dedham, MA, a suburb of Boston. Notice what's missing from the scene: Yep, Mary, Joseph, and the infant Jesus are gone, replaced with the sign "ICE was here," a reference to the federal agency that has been engaged in aggressive raids and detentions targeting immigrants and refugees the government argues are in the country illegally. The implication, of course, is that the religious figures have picked up for immigration violations. Despite criticism from some in the Dedham community, and leaders of the Catholic Archdiocese of Boston, the parish says the display will be kept as it is: "Father Stephen Josoma said he chose to focus the nativity on immigration after speaking with several of the refugee families the church has worked with in the past few years. Several of his congregants, who come from countries like Honduras, Guatemala and Afghanistan, expressed fear about what the stepped-up deportations could mean if they were sent back to the violence they fled. ... He said th.e display is meant to show “the context Christmas is happening in this year,” adding that current immigration policies feel “brutal” and threaten the status of people who have already settled in the U.S." A spokesman for the archdiocese called the scene "politically divisive" and called on the parish to return the display to its "proper sacred purpose." You can read more in this article from Boston Public Radio station WBUR . For its part, the parish says it has no plans to budge on its nativity display, which for more than a decade has served as a vehicle for the congregation to comment on politically charged issues like gun control, climate change, and immigration. What do you make of this? Both the specific display at St. Susanna's this year as well as the larger idea of using a Nativity scene to comment on controversial issues of politics and social justice? Josoma, the parish's rector, acknowledges that some people might just want to come and see "a nice little place for baby Jesus and his family to celebrate Christmas," but that he believes religious art should engage the viewer in more profound ways. So is this sacrilegious or a creative act of bearing witness? After all, in the Gospel of Matthew we learn that a few days after Jesus birth an angel comes to Joseph and warns him to flee with his family to Egypt to escape King Herod's plans to find and kill the infant Jesus. Is the parish's display an act of political resistance, and is that appropriate for a church? Join us for the conversation tomorrow evening, Tuesday Dec. 9, starting at 7pm at Irish Tavern in downtown Lake Orion.
By Andrew Guffey December 7, 2025
This Sunday, all are welcome to join us for a morning of worship and fellowship. Whether you are with us in the sanctuary or joining from afar, your presence strengthens our community. Our service is at 9:30 a.m. We warmly welcome those who cannot attend in person to join us via our live stream.
By Peter Trumbore December 2, 2025
"Only when I understood that I had a primal need for silence was I able to begin my search for it – and there, deep beneath a cacophony of traffic noise and thoughts, music and machinery, iPhones and snow ploughs, it lay in wait for me. Silence." -- So writes Norwegian explorer Erling Kagge. In tonight's discussion we're going to talk about the role of silence in our everyday and spiritual lives. For one window into this, consider the practice of Quaker Meeting, in which worship takes place in collective silence. As Tracy Chevalier writes in The Guardian : "Since their establishment in the mid-17th century, Quakers – or the Society of Friends, as they are formally known – have worshipped in collective silence, without the intervention of priest or minister, listening in the stillness for something non-verbal and timeless tucked deep inside. Some call it God, or the Spirit, or the Inner Light, or something less overtly religious. By stripping away noise, it is easier to let go of the everyday, settle one's thoughts, and listen. Quaker Meeting is much like meditation, except done together. The communal nature of the experience is essential, for being with others makes the silence more valuable. Sometimes at Meeting when I'm restless, I sense the stillness of those around me and it reminds me of what I'm doing, so that I sit still and try again." In his book, "Silence, in the Age of Noise," Kagge asks, and then seeks the answers to three basic questions: "What is silence? Where is it? Why is it more important now than ever?" We will look for our own answers in our conversation beginning at 7 pm this evening at Irish Tavern in downtown Lake Orion. Check out the link below to read an excerpt from Kagge's book. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/sep/23/the-power-of-silence-in-the-smartphone-age?fbclid=IwY2xjawObzTNleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFObmh6OEdIZGJjUklzR0dEc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHocsRhIVswsmRIzbW5YQMFbtEEaZX0DCx_8wGMMljDE0ojk0MuzgCHlR63M9_aem_Ea0AQyoEEfNf5o7ebu_OPg
By Andrew Guffey November 30, 2025
This Sunday, all are welcome to join us for a morning of worship and fellowship. Whether you are with us in the sanctuary or joining from afar, your presence strengthens our community. Our service is at 9:30 a.m. We warmly welcome those who cannot attend in person to join us via our live stream.